From Russia to the DEA: A Crypto Detective’s Incredible Story | WIRED Article Discussion

Welcome to the Torg Stories Podcast! In this episode, we discuss the extraordinary true story of Lili Infante, a Russian-born DEA agent who became a pioneering cryptocurrency detective. The story comes from WIRED, in an article by Joshuah Bearman and Owen Long titled “She Was the DEA’s Premier Crypto Detective. The Clues Led Straight to Her Own Family.” Click here for the story on Wired.

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How do we talk about this story?

  • Anne, you’re a true crime podcast listener. Do those people investigate those stories themselves or are they also just reading about something and then telling the story?
  • I think one thing we’re doing: we’re telling friends about a fascinating article we read, like we might a movie or something that happened to us.

Some ideas (at times themes) to keep in mind as we go through this story:

  1. I’m astonished that Lili’s life can take this path from Moscow. And sometimes, it makes me feel like I suck not going to Columbia.
  2. Who are we really? Lili can just become Olga in Miami.
  3. Lili is a different kind of mom than our Mom and Megan is a mom. I am a different kind of dad than Lili’s dad. The father of her baby, does he sound like a good dad?
  4. The idea of Good vs. Evil or a mix of both.
  5. Family loyalty vs. moral responsibility.
  6. Betrayal and Forgiveness.

An excerpt that shows the drug trade:

  • Ever since the cocaine explosion of the 1980s, Miami had been America’s central depot for the drug. Geography made it inevitable. The city leans into the Atlantic, pointing toward the Caribbean—the source of endless contraband, smuggled in by imaginative cartels. In the heyday of the cocaine trade, powerboats rocketed across Biscayne Bay, their hulls stuffed with powder. Cessnas drifted in low over the skyline, dodging radar to land on airstrips in the Everglades. Cartel divers attached magnetic parcels to cargo ship hulls. Homemade narco subs slipped unseen beneath the surface.

The Dark Web makes an appearance. I don’t think I’ve thought about this:

  • The dark web is a hidden part of the internet that you can’t access through ordinary web browsers like Chrome or Safari. It typically requires special software, such as Tor, which helps conceal users’ identities and locations.

Three parts of the internet:

  1. Surface web: Websites you can find through Google, such as ESPN, Amazon, and Wikipedia.
  2. Deep web: Parts of the internet that aren’t indexed by search engines, such as your email inbox, bank accounts, and private university databases.
  3. Dark web: A small portion of the deep web that requires special software or configurations to access and is designed to provide greater anonymity.

Lili, code name Olga, got into this from crime dramas and then it was TV again, watching The Good Wife, that turned her on to bit coin.

The end, with a lot to discuss:

  • So what can you do? You can recognize that the world is messy; that people fail you, and you fail them. You make peace with ambiguity. You realize that love and imperfection can coexist. You see that knowing this is the real safety net. Institutions may not be the answer, but people are. You forgive your mother. You forgive your grandmother. You look in the rearview mirror and see that your daughter in the back seat is likable and chatty, a sociable spitfire, like her father. You raise her the best you can, the way your mother could not do for you, to see the world for all its possibilities.

The specialized vocabulary of this world. When we study Discourses in my classes, we call this the lexis.

  • Tor: Lili uses Tor to investigate anonymous drug dealers. — Software that disguises users’ internet activity and locations.
  • Blockchain: Lili learns to trace transactions on the blockchain. — A permanent digital record of cryptocurrency transactions.
  • Crypto Wallet: Lili discovers $500,000 in a drug dealer’s bitcoin wallet. — Software or hardware used to control cryptocurrency.
  • Hydra: Lili helps shut down Hydra in 2022. — A massive Russian dark-web marketplace with 17 million users.
  • Silk Road: Lili studies the investigation that brought down Silk Road. — An early dark-web marketplace notorious for illegal drug sales.
  • Dream Market: Lili targets Dream Market after Silk Road closes. — A major dark-web marketplace selling drugs and stolen information.
  • God Pill: A Missouri dealer sells something called the God Pill. — A dangerous mixture of cocaine, amphetamines, and fentanyl.
  • Alpha-PVP (Bath Salts): Lili purchases Alpha-PVP from an online dealer. — A powerful synthetic stimulant.
  • Klad (Hidden Treasure): Hydra dealers deliver drugs through hidden treasures called klads. — Drug packages concealed in public locations for buyers to retrieve.
  • Kladsman: Nina’s grandson works as a kladsman. — A courier who hides drug packages for customers.
  • Geocaching: Hydra uses a system resembling geocaching to deliver drugs. — Using GPS coordinates to locate hidden objects.
  • Money Mule: Lili follows a money mule through Miami. — Someone who transports or transfers money for others, often criminals.
  • Hawaladar: Lili learns about hawaladars from her DEA mentor. — A broker who transfers money through an informal trust-based network.
  • RICO: Lili begins her career helping investigate a Russian gang under RICO. — A federal law used to prosecute organized criminal enterprises.
  • The Eye: Lili takes the eye during a DEA surveillance operation. — The agent responsible for maintaining visual contact with a suspect.
  • Heat Run: Agents worry a suspect might pull a heat run. — Evasive driving intended to detect or escape surveillance.
  • Darknet Marketplace: Hydra becomes the world’s largest darknet marketplace. — An online market operating on an anonymity network, often associated with illicit goods.
  • Doxing: Hydra exposes the identities of rival marketplace administrators. — Publicly revealing someone’s private identifying information.
  • Blackhat Hacker: Hydra’s financial network attracts concern about blackhat hackers. — Someone who hacks computer systems for malicious or illegal purposes.
  • Drug Precursors: Hydra vendors obtain synthetic drug precursors from China and India. — Chemicals used to manufacture drugs.
  • Purity Tester: Lili infiltrates Hydra by posing as a drug purity tester. — Someone who analyzes the composition and strength of drugs.

The characters:

  • Luis Infante: Lili’s DEA-agent husband.
  • Jose Irizarry: Celebrated DEA investigator and Lili’s mentor who was exposed as a corrupt agent stealing millions and partying with drug traffickers.
  • Tigran Gambaryan: Brilliant IRS investigator and blockchain detective who helped expose corrupt DEA agents and eventually teamed up with Lili against Hydra.
  • Carl Force: Corrupt DEA agent who stole more than $700,000 in bitcoin while investigating Silk Road.
  • Gal Vallerius (OxyMonster): French drug kingpin and competitive beard grower arrested while traveling to the World Beard and Mustache Championships in Texas.
  • Kitt3n: Unidentified Dream Market leader who partnered with OxyMonster as part of the self-described Dream Team.
  • Chrissano Leslie (Owlcity): Jamaican drug dealer operating from suburban Miami who sold fentanyl online and was caught after Lili tricked him into revealing his IP address.
  • Joshua Kelly (UStoUS): Missouri smoke-shop owner who sold a dangerous drug cocktail called the God Pill and was arrested in a house full of pill-making equipment.
  • HonestCocaine: Dark-web cocaine dealer whose product Lili purchased to demonstrate to her DEA supervisor that online drug trafficking was real.
  • Dmitry Pavlov: Russian computer specialist who hosted Hydra’s servers and was reportedly arrested after the marketplace was dismantled in 2022.
  • No Name: Mysterious figure who merged roughly 100 Russian dark-web sites into Hydra in 2015.
  • Satoshi Nakamoto: One of Hydra’s two leaders, using the name associated with bitcoin’s mysterious creator.
  • Zog: Hydra’s principal programmer.
  • Fat Cat: Hydra administrator.
  • Handsome Jack: Customer dispute moderator for Hydra.
  • Fatality: Another Hydra customer dispute moderator.
  • GlavRed: Hydra’s marketing specialist, helping promote the criminal marketplace.
  • Boris Nayfeld: Russian mob boss in Brighton Beach whose organization was involved in drugs, smuggling, human trafficking, and other crimes.
  • Nikolai Dozortsev: Ukrainian gangster investigated for allegedly importing millions of ecstasy tablets and laundering the proceeds.
  • Diego Marin (The Contraband King): Colombian smuggler and alleged money launderer linked to corrupt DEA agent Jose Irizarry.
  • Igor: Colombian businessman and DEA informant who earned enormous payments for introducing agents to criminals through his car and electronics businesses.
  • Nina: Lili’s beloved grandmother and moral compass who secretly became a Hydra marijuana dealer to rescue her grandson from gangsters.
  • Katya: Lili’s troubled mother, a former aspiring actress whose alcoholism and instability shaped Lili’s childhood before she became a devoted grandmother.
  • Dennis (Kladsman): Lili’s teenage cousin who became involved with Russian drug gangs and helped Nina distribute marijuana through hidden drop-off locations.

A golden line: Surveillance is like war: mostly boring.

Next week:

  • We’ll discuss “The New Age of Reading,” from the New Yorker, by Nathan Heller. Click here for the article on The New Yorker.
  • Let’s also visit and buy at least one thing from a bookstore.

Thanks for stopping by Torg Stories! We appreciate you!

The Longreads Questionnaire with Anne Lamott and Neal Allen: We Decided We’d Try the Questions Too

My sister Anne, daughter Charlotte and I all answered The Longreads Questionnaire questions and discussed the answers by writers Anne Lamott and Neal Allen. If you’d like to answer any of the questions you see listed below, we’d love to hear your responses in the comments to this post.

We Torgs tackle the Longreads questions in the podcast episode above.

The Longreads questions are below with Bill’s responses. Anne and Charlotte share their responses on the podcast episode. We’d love for you to answer some of them in the comments section below!

  1. Where did you grow up?
  • Front yard on Hillcrest Drive in Logansport, the woods outside of Twelve Mile Indiana, Winamac town park, the pool
  1. What places feel like home?
  • The university lawns / quads at St. John’s University and Appalachian State, the Valle Crucis Park, the aux gym at Watauga High School, driving the team bus, sitting down by our creek watching our dog explore
  1. Other than family members, who or what has shaped you the most?
  • Fictional characters such as Lloyd Dobler; writers such as CS Lewis, Nick Hornby, and Doug Lemov; teachers like Kevin Zupin, Joe Bentz, Judy Whitis, Sam Watson, Lil Brannon, and Allen Gee. Countless coaches like Bob Knight and Phil Jackson.
  1. What is your favorite time of day?
  • Morning coffee with Megan, sitting down to the desk fresh, before sleepiness sets in, right after the workout
  1. What are you really good at?
  • The whole process of teaching from the drive to learn the material to organizing how it will be shared, to energizing the process of sharing and learning, to circling back to help it stick
  1. What’s the best gift you’ve ever received?
  • I’ve got a customized picture frame that starts off Dear Dad. It ends with We love you, Charlotte and Izzy. It’s got a picture of Charlotte and Izzy in their middle school shooting shirts in the Watauga gymnasium.
  1. Describe your favorite meal.
  • Megan makes chicken nuggets and horizontally sliced fried potatoes. I gotta say a recent meal at Dan’l Boone Inn in Boone could be way up there.
  1. Sound or silence? (And if sound, what sound?)
  • I want silence when I’m working. The sound of running water would be next, like when I’m sitting down by the creek.
  1. Where do you do your best thinking?
  • At my desk in my office usually accompanied by scratching notes and drawing arrows and circles in Notability on my iPad or a piece of paper.
  1. What journey–physical, creative, intellectual, or otherwise–has meant the most to you?
  1. Emotional of letting people, especially my dad, be themselves
  2. Physical: the marathon
  3. creative: The indie film The Mushroom Hunter. That seemed harder than a book. (Savannah Film Festival)
  4. Intellectual: tenure at St. John’s, especially the academic publishing that came with it in publications such as College Composition and Communication
  5. I once promised myself I would never get married again. The journey to promise to share my life with Megan means a lot.
  1. Where do you like to read?
  • In bed, in my office chair with my feet on a footrest
  1. What’s the last rabbit hole you disappeared into?
  • Looking for a home for about 4 months. Last day starting with 138, driving by 15 to narrow the list down to 7. And that was just the last 3 days of it.
  • I do that kind of thing looking for a job too
  1. Name three publications you enjoy reading these days.
  • The New York Times. The Atlantic and I’m looking for a third. Maybe its Longreads!
  1. What’s one longread that you can’t stop thinking about?
  1. What piece of nonfiction are you most proud of writing?
  1. What’s your most reliable way to get creatively unstuck?
  • Allow Lamott’s “Shitty First Draft.” Butt in chair. Read.
  1. Who’s a writer you turn to when you need some inspiration?
  • For life, Lamott.
  • For voice, Hornby.
  • For teaching, Donald Murray and Doug Lemov
  1. What words do you overuse?
  • And so…
  1. What’s your favorite guilty pleasure?
  • This podcast. Watching TikToks. Playing Fortnite. Watching and betting on NFL Football.
  1. What superpower would you like to have?
  • To sleep well, let’s say a steady 8 hours
  • Immediately teleporting to anywhere seems like a good one
  • This made me wonder if Superman gets cold flying.
  1. What animal or nonhuman being do you most identify with?
  • Rivers
  1. If you have a free solitary hour in your day, what do you typically do?
  • Run and naps come to mind. A nap feels like a luxury but I find them pretty often.
  1. What five items would you place in a time capsule?
  • After thinking about Trump’s Access Hollywood tape, I decided I’d focus on local items for a local time capsule…
  1. Zack Vernon’s Eating on a Mountain at the End of the World
  2. an App State football helmet
  3. Scars on the Mountain Helene Hurricane Documentary
  4. Luke Combs 2017 album This One’s for You. It’s got “When It Rains It Pours on It.”
  5. Mast store candy in a Mast store white paper bag
  1. What does your writing space look like?
  • A big inexpensive white desk facing two windows that look at a valley with the mountains beyond. Lots of basketball memorabilia on the left. A Ted Lasso cardboard cutout. Pop culture artifacts behind me such as a 1985 Celtics Championship hat, an App State volleyball a former Watauga player gave me, and a Super Mario Nintendo World statue.

What is Longreads?

  • From their About Us page: Longreads, founded in 2009 by Mark Armstrong, is dedicated to finding and sharing the best longform nonfiction storytelling on the web. We publish personal and reported essays, criticism, reading lists, and occasional book excerpts, interviews, and more in-depth features.
  • My favorite way they describe themselves: Longform journalism and creative nonfiction that outlasts the noise.

Anne Lamott is one of the writers answering these questions:

  • Born in 1954 in San Francisco, she’s 72
  • I came to her through her essay “Shitty First Drafts” and her book Bird by Bird.
  • She married Neal Allen in 2019, her first and only marriage. He spent most of his life as a journalist.
  • Neal and Anne worked together on a book Good Writing.
  • Another of my favorite books of hers: Help, Thanks, Wow: The Three Essential Prayers
  • She’s got a great Ted Talk. My wife Megan watched her on Good Hang and ordered a few of her books.
  • I’ve been wanting to read her first book, Operating Instructions. It’s about having a child and being a single mother.

Thanks for taking time to visit Torg Stories! We’d love to hear some of your answers in the comments below!

Letterboxd: We Set Up Our Accounts and Picked Our Favorite Films

We’re all rookies on the Letterboxd site, but it seems to be a social networking website and app for movies. It reminds me of Goodreads but for films. We all chose our four favorite movies, found some people to follow, discovered some new movies, and looked for one more thing to do on the site. 

Click to listen to our Letterboxd themed Podcast

Here’s a few things I learned about Letterboxd: 

  1. Headquarters are in Auckland, New Zealand
  2. Started in Oct of 2011, so that’s over 15 years ago 
  3. Over 30 million users 
  4. Some notable account users from Wikipedia: Martin Scorsese, Charli XCX, Ed Sheeran, Francis Ford Coppola, and Michael Mann
  5. From Wikipedia: The “Four Favorites” feature, which allows members to pin four films to the top of their profile, has become a prominent element of film publicity. Letterboxd’s editorial team conducts red carpet and junket interviews in which filmmakers, actors, and celebrities are asked to name their four favorite films.

We’re going to start by trying to guess each other’s four favorite films. Anne, what do you say we try and guess Izzy’s first? 

  • My Izzy guesses: Sing Street, Beautiful Boy, Notting Hill, Moonrise Kingdom 
Movie poster for 'Waves' featuring a couple on a beach.
Izzy’s Favorite Films
  • My Anne guesses: 2001 A Space Odyssey, Bridesmaids, Best in Show, The Dark Knight 
Movie poster for The English Patient featuring a woman and a man.
Anne’s Favorite Films
A collage of four movie posters under the title 'Favorite Films', including 'My Name Is Earl', 'Moneyball', 'No Country for Old Men', and 'Dead Poets Society'.
Bill’s Favorite Films

What films were tough for me to leave out? 

  1. Hoosiers. I worried it was too on the nose? 
  2. Pulp Fiction. Seems stereotypical. 
  3. Good Will Hunting 
  4. Sinners 
  5. The Royal Tenenbaums 
  6. Edge of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt 

There’s an ability to communicate with movie posters sort of like some people do with emojis. I like a movie podcast called The Big Picture and one of its hosts, Sean Fennessy, signaled his distaste for the show’s new partnership with Netflix with this post:  

A collage of four movie posters, titled 'Sean's Letterboxd Favorites as the Ringer moves to Netflix'. The posters feature the titles 'Whore', 'Capital', '$$$', and 'Salesman'.
Fennessey appears to express his displeasure about The Big Picture’s Netflix Relationship

I didn’t know the $$$ film. I think it is this:

  • $, also known as Dollar$, Dollars or $ (Dollars), and in the UK as The Heist, is a 1971 American heist comedy film starring Warren Beatty and Goldie Hawn

Find some people to follow. You can search names. You can find people who wrote about movies that interest you. Who did you follow? 

  • Sean Fennessey. He has To Die For, Something weird’s on the air, Bamboozled, and Magnolia on his page. 
  • Patrick Willems. I discovered him through his review of Air. I noticed he is followed by Sean. 

Figure out a way to discover a few movies you never heard of that look good. 

  1. Find at least one “recent story” and read or watch it. Tell us about it. 
  • I read a short article titled “Ben Affleck Knew He Had to Direct Animals.” Oh, it’s a summary of an article. 
  • From the summary: The film follows Los Angeles mayoral candidate Mark Kimball (Affleck), whose campaign is upended when he and his wife Abigail (Kerry Washington) get a late-night phone call from a man claiming to have kidnapped his son.
  • It links me to something called Tudum. It’s the script of an interview. 
  • Affleck said this in the article about Los Angeles: I wanted to make a story that is really true to all of the disparate aspects of this city. It’s like a mosaic. If you’re on one of the tiles, it looks like that tile, but it’s adjacent to something that’s different from it, whether it’s socioeconomically, ethnically, culturally, or linguistically. This is a city where at least as many people speak Spanish as speak English. The movie moves into Spanish-language storytelling, not because it’s a Spanish story or an English story, but because those languages exist in LA, often side by side.
  1. Do one more thing on Letterboxd. Tell us what you did. 
  • I added Salesman to my watchlist. (it had a “play” button next to it on my list and took me right to our HBO account to watch)
  • I downloaded the app and hope to keep adding films to my watchlist and I hear about them. 
  • Reviewed Blackberry. 

Click here to check out and possibly connect with Bill on Letterboxd. 

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7 Movies to Watch, The Menu, East of Eden, Rotten Tomatoes, an SNL Report, and the Colts in London

If you sit down to watch a movie, but you don’t know what you’re going to watch, how do you figure it out? In this post we look for a new process, identify 7 movies worth watching, discuss East of Eden, the yogurt shop murders, the Colts in London, an SNL report, and Izzy’s upcoming West Coast Road Trip!

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Bill Torg’s Topics for Discussion 

When you want to watch a movie but don’t know what you’re going to watch, how do you find one? 

  • Frustration of trying to click around on the platforms we subscribe to: Netflix, HBO, Apple, Amazon (Fandango) 
  • What reviews, if any, do you take into account when picking? Amazon stars from those who watch and the Tomatometer / Popcornmeter on Rotten Tomatoes. 
  • For the first time, I used the Rotten Tomatoes “watch at home” page where I could toggle to the platform (Netflix, Prime, HBOMax, etc) and look at ratings that way. Click here for that page. 
  • Should I try Letterboxd? They talk about it on The Big Picture podcast. Looks like a sort of Goodreads for movies. I think we could explore it for next time. Click here to access Letterboxd. 

We narrowed it down to these seven movies to watch:

Squid and The Whale on Netflix 

  • From RT: A pair of brothers living in Brooklyn are caught in the middle of, and deeply affected by, the divorce of their erudite parents, Bernard (Jeff Daniels) and Joan Berkman (Laura Linney). Older sibling Walt (Jesse Eisenberg) sides with dad and acts out at school, while younger brother Frank (Owen Kline) quietly backs up mom. The household tension rises further when Joan’s writing career takes off and surpasses the failed ambitions of her professor ex-husband.
  • Directed by Noah Baumbach. One of the producers is Wes Anderson. Baumbach is 57. Was married to Jennifer Jason Leigh and now married to Greta Gerwig. Co wrote Barbie screenplay. White Noise. 

The Menu on Netflix. 

  • From RT: A couple (Anya Taylor-Joy and Nicholas Hoult) travels to a coastal island to eat at an exclusive restaurant where the chef (Ralph Fiennes) has prepared a lavish menu, with some shocking surprises.
  • Also starred John Leguizamo and Hong Chau 
  • Directed by Mark Mylod. He’s done episodes of Entourage, Game of Thrones 
  • One of the producers was Will Ferrell. 

The Invite (coming soon) on HBO 

  • From RT: Joe and Angela’s marriage is on thin ice. When they invite their enigmatic upstairs neighbors for a dinner party, the night spirals into unexpected places. Have they reignited the spark or the lit the match that burns it all down?
  • Stars Olivia Wilde, Seth Rogen, Penelope Cruz, and Edward Norton 
  • Directed by Olivia Wilde 

End of Oak Street (rental on Amazon) 

  • From RT: After a mysterious cosmic event rips Oak Street from suburbia and transports their neighborhood to someplace unknown, the Platt family soon discovers that their very survival depends on them sticking together as they navigate their now unrecognizable surroundings.
  • Starring Anne Hathaway, Ewan McGregor
  • Directed by David Robert Mitchell (also It Follows) 

Obsession (rental on Amazon)  

  • From RT: After breaking the mysterious “One Wish Willow” to win his crush’s heart, a hopeless romantic finds himself getting exactly what he asked for but soon discovers that some desires come at a dark, sinister price.
  • Starring Michael Johnston, Inde Navarrette, Cooper Tomlinson
  • Directed by Curry Barker (YouTube channel “that’s a bad idea” 1.62 million) 27 years old

Blackberry on Netflix

  • ‘BlackBerry’ tells the story of Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie, the two men that charted the course of the spectacular rise and catastrophic demise of the world’s first smartphone.
  • Starring Jay Baruchel, Glenn Howerton, rich Sommer
  • Directed by Matt Johnson. He’s Canadian, MFA from York University, started in independent docufiction. Did Nirvanna the Band the Show. 
  • Izzy, how aware are you of an MFA in filmmaking or screenwriting are you after Utah? 

X on HBO. 

  • From RT: In 1979, a group of young filmmakers set out to make an adult film in rural Texas, but when their reclusive, elderly hosts catch them in the act, the cast find themselves fighting for their lives.
  • Starring Mia Goth, Jenna Ortega, Martin Henderson, Brittany Snow 
  • Directed by Ti West. Drinking Buddies, The ABCs of Death and his movie MaXXXine gets tomato numbers in the 70s. 

Megan picked The Menu. We recommend it. Why? 

  • Very unusual: we get a menu that is an outline that the film follows. We get the ingredients on the screen which is sometimes crass and funny. 
  • It is in the spirit of Agatha Christie’s And Then There Were None, Passenger 10, The Knives Out movies. Suspenseful. Pretty gory but not over the top. 
  • Satire of foodies, critics of all kinds, and the ultra rich. 

Honorable Mention Stuff to Read or Watch: 

  • Ted Lasso Season 4, Episode 9 was the best of the season. Heart wrenching with Mae and tribute to Anthony Head. Roy and Keeley! Roy’s reenactment of the game. Finally know why Tracey Ullman is on the show. 
  • Fever’s season ends: Mitchell and Clark couldn’t make enough of their threes / finishes. Wilson and Gray make more mid range tough jumpers than Fever can hit threes. They get calls but they also are attacking the rim and defender more. A’ja Wilson really bothers everyone around the rim. (the league is tough, Clark can get better, not sure of the ceiling of this team, parity) 
  • NoDa and Camp North End in Charlotte. Tipsy Pickle. Cabo Fish Taco. Vintage stores. Hardy Boys Records. 

Anne’s Discussion Topics

“East of Eden” on Netflix 

  • Florence Pugh, Christopher Abbott. Showrunner/writer Zoe Kazan, granddaughter to movie director Elia Kazan
  • Florence was great. Most characters are hard to like or at least very frustrating. Have you read John Steinbeck book? I’ve read zero books by him.
  • Secrets, parents expectations, fate, making your own choices, “thou mayest”, tell your kids the truth!
  • From the book preface: East of Eden hit the bookstores in midsummer of 1952. The 602-page novel sold for $4.50. By November it had become the nation’s number-one best-seller. A limited edition of 750 copies had been distributed to “important reviewers” and was followed by a run of 110,000, what Steinbeck called “one hell of a big first edition.”
  • The opening two paragraphs of the novel: The Salinas Valley is in Northern California. It is a long narrow swale between two ranges of mountains, and the Salinas River winds and twists up the center until it falls at last into Monterey Bay. I remember my childhood names for grasses and secret flowers. I remember where a toad may live and what time the birds awaken in the summer—and what trees and seasons smelled like—how people looked and walked and smelled even. The memory of 
  • odors is very rich.
  • East of Eden
  • Click here for the novel on Amazon. We are an Amazon affiliate. 

“He Was a Suspect in the Yogurt Shop Murders for Thirty Years. He Can’t Forget” by Michael Hall in Texas Monthly

  • Forrest Welborn was a suspect as his best friend implicated him in a confession. Later DNA revealed the real killer.
  • Pressured confessions…need actual evidence, pressure to solve murders, public outcry
  • Would you stick around in the area you live if this happened to you? Google your name and you are always linked.
  • He Was A Suspect…

Izzy’s Discussion Topics 

  • Izzy is going on a West coast road trip! Stops: Oregon Coast, Redwood National Park and San Francisco!
  • Working on my film! It is “due” Monday so today will be spent all on that. 
  • Recent SNL update: Dakota Johnson hosted, James and I fell asleep. She threw shade at my man Role Model. “Bad in bed” and “lame breakups.” Taylor came on. Next week: Shane Gillis with musical guest Rosalia. 
  • Upcoming concerts: Hey, Nothing, Big Thief and maybe Malcom Todd. I recommend End of Oak Street. A family is mysteriously transported with their entire neighborhood to an unknown, dangerous world. They must stick together and uncover what happened while fighting to survive.

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Short Film Production, Scheming Artificial Intelligence, and The Secret History of Gold

Welcome to the Torg Stories Podcast. We’re recording Sunday, September 27, 2026. Topics for this episode include Izzy’s first day of shooting on her short film, AI Models that scheme, the Hulu show Adults, Apple’s The Gorge, an SNL report, and Anne finished her history of Gold book. It’s also a big NFL today and the WNBA playoffs kick off. Anne, you’re in Boone, North Carolina! 

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Bill Torg’s Topics for Discussion 

  1. “AI Models That Lie, Cheat and Plot Murder: Just How Risky are LLMS?” by Matthew Hutson published in Nature on October 9, 2025
  • In my classes at App State. We work a lot with peer-reviewed journals. I have never felt more like what’s in there is old. 2025 is a long time ago when it comes to AI. 
  • Are either of you familiar with that term, “LLM”? 
  • An LLM is an AI system trained on enormous amounts of text. This article calls LLMS “the brains behind the chatbots.” 
  • From the article: “Whatever the level of selfhood among LLMs, researchers think it’s urgent to understand scheming like behaviours before these models pose much more dire risks.” I hadn’t heard the word “scheming” applied to AIs before. 
  • Quote: Some LLMs are “agentic” – they are granted access to extra software tools that can take actions, such as surfing the web, modifying files or running code. 
  • Agentic meaning the AI works toward a goal rather than just responding to prompts. A goal such as making the business or US businesses profitable. 
  • Scheming example in tests: AI acted in alignment with the user’s goal during supposed evaluation, but in alignment with their original goal during supposed deployment. (a phenomena known as alignment faking) 
  1. “WNBA Playoffs 2026: How all eight teams could win the title” by Michael Voepel on ESPN. 
  1. The Minnesota Lynx are the big favorite to win the title. They were good already and now they Notre Dame then TCU’s Olivia Miles. 
  2. All teams playing today. Let’s go over the game real quick: 
  •  Liberty with a bunch of well known players including Stewart and Ionescu at the Lynx with Collier and Miles at 2PM. 
  •  Fever with Clark, Mitchell and Boston at Aces with A’ja Wilson at 4PM. Boston is questionable with right lower leg injury. 
  • Mystics with Notre Dame’s Sonia Citron, Shakira Austin, and Va Tech’s Georgia Amoore at the Dream with Rhyne Howard and Angel Reese at 7PM. 
  • Wings with Bueckers and Arike Ogunbowale vs. the Valkyries with Gabby Williams and Kiah Stokes. I don’t know the Valkyries players and I will continue not to see them much because this game is on too late. 
  • Click here for article. 
  1. The Gorge movie on Apple TV starring Miles Teller, Anya Taylor-Joy and Sigourney Weaver 
  1. Best part is mystery of what is in the gorge. 
  2. Shot in Norway. Stunning scenery. 
  3. Rough middle where everything is dark and the main characters are trying to get out of the gorge. 
  4. Satisfying ending with pretty good twist. Felt a little like Bourne movie endings, which I really like.  

Anne Torg’s Topics for Discussion 

  1. “Adults” – Hulu show Izzy asked us to watch 
  • I liked how it points out the the generation’s tendency of taking political correctness too far, they focused on this in the 2nd episode
  • 3rd episode is too contrived to me – colonoscopy 
  • Actors are good
  1. The Secret History of Gold by Dominic Frisby
  • “No other substance is as long-lasting as gold – not diamonds, not tungsten carbide, not boron nitride. Gold does not corrode; it does not tarnish or decay; it does not break down over time. This sets it apart from every other substance. Iron rusts, wood rots, silver tarnishes.”
  • Do you ever see yourself buying a gold coin or bar? 
  • Click here for Amazon link to the book. 
  1. “I used to get paid to hang out with famous people” by Jonah Winer
  1. I Used to Get Paid to Hang Out  with Famous People
  2. Are profiles dead? Do you like reading profiles? Do you prefer videos or podcasts?
  3. Contract w/Rolling Stone for $90K in 90s not bad.
  4. Lived in Kimmels house for 3 days, thats crazy
  5. Reminds me of Cameron Crowe spending everyday with David Bowie. Travelling with bands. 
  6. Really long profile on Fever Coach Stephanie White on ESPN this week. Click here for article. 

Izzy Torg’s Topics for Discussion 

  • SNL first episode 
  • Grace Reiter new cast member. She in my opinion had the best first episode of anyone. She did a Katsye music video and looked so comfortable. Also Jalen is a very good actor. 

Adults TV show 

  1. I love this show. It’s so fun and the acting feels so natural. I aspire to have a silly friend group like this. 
  2. Ask about Anne and bill college friend group. 
  3. Talk about mine 

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